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honestly the marvel vs dc thing boils down to PR savvy, and how well the comics publishers are handling their demographic appeal. marvel now started out strong in comparison to how the new 52 was handled, and although they had hardly any more female writers (and no black writers, as far as I recall) than DC, they weren’t called out on it, perhaps because of kelly sue’s presence and the overnight sensation of the carol corps.
once DC’s films and tv shows start to pick up, (with the possible exception of constantine), and despite david goyer’s continued…presence…I think marvel’s cinematic failings are going to become more apparent. it’s good that fans are already starting to pick up on this and criticize it, because they should. I think it really hinges on marvel’s next announcement.
also both comics companies are still largely controlled by white men (to say nothing of hollywood or the movie industry), so until the comics publishers start making a concerted effort to hire writers who aren’t just white dudes for their diversity quota books, not much is going to change.
All this is basically true, but I think the big thing that’s left out of the discussion is what’s actually inside the comics. While I advocate more female and POC and queer creators, when it comes down to it I stopped reading DC because their comics were awful, and specifically they all seemed to have been written for an audience of straight male adolescents. Even Wonder Woman, which had gorgeous art and seemed like it might be an exception, took a turn for the misogynistic with the Amazons’ big unfortunate reveal.
Meanwhile, not only are Kelly Sue and Willow Wilson putting out great work at Marvel, but the lineup also includes female-centric books with male creative teams, like She-Hulk and Black Widow, that never feel insulting or objectifying, as well as other comics that I really genuinely enjoy. And Marvel did Young Avengers. Can you imagine a book like that happening at post-Nu52 DC?
I agree that people oversimplify the dichotomy on Tumblr, and that Marvel’s not much better when it comes to creator diversity. And of course DC did their share of progressive things in their whole history. But in 2014? I read a bunch of Marvel Comics and no DC Comics because I only read comics I enjoy. But I’ll probably buy the new Batgirl, so we’ll see what the future holds.
We’ll see how the movies shape up. Marvel definitely has problems that they don’t even seem close to fixing, but DC’s going to have to get rid of Goyer and Zack Snyder before there’s any hope of being any better.
i'd classify kate as heteroflexible until now, i mean, she does feel kind of attracted towards america, but until we see more instances of her feeling attracted to ladies i wouldn't jump on bisexuality so soon.
the heteros cant have her
IT’S KATE BISHOP NOT KATE STRAIGHTSHOP
This is what I was talking to thoughtbridgeblog about last week. But here we see the disadvantage of subtextual queerness: Straight people will deny its existence with all their might, including inventing words if they have to.
Although, on the other had, plenty of people identify as queer and are attracted to multiple genders but emphatically don’t identify as bi, so I’m always hesitant to apply that label to anyone who hasn’t claimed it (I could say the same about pansexual). But heteroflexible is still a word I don’t like, and I’ve never heard an argument in favor of its use that doesn’t boil down to people hanging on to their straight privilege for dear life.
Marvel rings you up and wants you to pitch a 4 issue mini-series, Marvel Team-Up style. What characters do you pitch and who do you ask to handle art duties?
Jubilee & Kate Bishop by Annie Wu
Hellcat & Boom Boom by Kris Anka
Rogue & Hercules by Declan Shalvey
Beast & Jessica Jones by Evan Shaner
Dum Dum Dugan & Foggy Nelson by Chris Samnee (okay, I had to throw this in)
Hell YES I’d do that. The rest of these are all top notch ideas too.
I would love this series so much. Hellcat & Boom Boom? uncannybrettwhite, you have won my heart. These are five of my favorite artists too.
How are you feeling about things?
Disquiet and disconnected.
This is comforting to me, because I think Rachel and I are both people in this at different times.
Team Cyclops tries to be there for each other.
That’s part of being Team Cyclops.
I think it’s past time that I officially signed on to Team Cyclops, because these characters are both me as well.
I know I am flouting the system in multiple ways, but I’m gonna call special circumstances for this one:
It’s cool. When anything’s been running this long, the continuity is bound to get convoluted.
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